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Post by Admin on Nov 9, 2017 10:25:36 GMT -7
O'Connell Restraining Order Hearing Results 20 Days Until a Final Decision Almost 30 Glastonbury landowners attended the November 8th O'Connell restraining Order hearing in Livingston District Court. Alanah Griffith represented the GLA Board and Corporation. She was successful in convincing the court previously to issue a temporary restraining order.
Director Charlotte Mizzi, along with a few landowners, was subpoenaed and thus required to testify. The Forum Administrator submitted written testimony and was selected to testify. As a witness though, the Forum administrator along with other witnesses was not allowed into the court room until called by the Judge. Sitting outside the court room with other uncalled witnesses we could hear the distinctive shrill and loud tones of Val's voice through the thick court room walls and doors. After 2 1/2 hours of waiting the clock ran out and the hearing ended.
Affidavits will be shared between both sides and in 20 days a final decision will be made. Meanwhile the temporary restraining order will be extended until the court reaches a decision which should be just after Thanksgiving.
The Forum requests that landowners inside the court room share their thoughts and observations below so everyone may gain a fuller understanding of the hearing.
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Post by angel on Nov 9, 2017 15:52:15 GMT -7
I am curious as to why Newman Brozovsky gathered the statements of the landowners (concerning the issue), yet did not attend the Hearing? Were the statements all sent to the Attorney (Alanah)? There were a number of Board members who did not sign the Order for Protection or attend the Hearing. Charlotte Mizzi was subpoenaed by the O'Connells to witness for them. I believe that the landowners should be aware of that. When the Board members are not objective and do not treat all landowners equally (CUT or non-CUT), it is my opinion that they do not deserve a position on the Board of Directors. Charlotte Mizzi stated that she was not in attendance at the August Board meeting. Charlotte WAS at the meeting, but chose to abstain from voting for the Protection of Board members and meetings. As the O'Connells friend and neighbor; I do not believe she can be objective, especially when defending their "church" and individual members.
We are all neighbors. We all live here. We all need to be treated equally and with respect. It seems we have a long way to go before we will see ourselves as one community and not an "us vs them" community of CUT or "outsiders". Our community is becoming more divided. It's not a friendly place to live when we are not considered equals. A lot of people I meet in this area preach the Golden Rule...but do not live by it.
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Post by angel on Nov 9, 2017 16:21:57 GMT -7
Interesting side note: Sean Prophet (son of Elizabeth and Mark) was asked if he regretted anything after leaving CUT. His answer: "I wish that we had been better neighbors for the people of Montana."
As "outsiders" (now) themselves...the children of Elizabeth Clare Prophet have said that there is an "abuse of power" by people seen as leaders in the CUT community. He also said the ascended masters would be ashamed of how they treated others. Erin Prophet said that they decree against the "outsiders" negative energy in order to de-humanize them, thus seeing them as "less than". (She was asked what a "new church" would look like) She mentioned that she would like to see the "future CUT group" be charitable and giving to people who were not part of the group. That was her wish.
Interesting. Hindsight is 20/20. Are the CUT "leaders" going to repeat history...or learn from this? Time will tell. How is this relevant? Valery O'Connell repeatedly claims she is there to "save the GLA" and defend "her church". That is her mission. That is why we are divided. Can we be equals?
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Post by Sigmund on Nov 9, 2017 16:39:12 GMT -7
Are we seeing a messiah complex aka savior complex in full bore?
Or megalomania, maybe?
What about narcissism?
Is any of this normal?
You decide.
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Post by dorothykeeler on Nov 9, 2017 18:12:30 GMT -7
I was in the audience during the hearing and found Val's words and actions baffling. She repeatedly interrupted the witnesses, Alanah, and the judge herself. At one point late in the hearing, clearly exasperated, the judge told Val to, "Knock it off."
Val was arrogant, overbearing, quarrelsome, and offered an effective display of how she has harassed, badgered, and browbeat her perceived opposition into agreeing with her, exploding in frustration, or withdrawing from exhaustion.
In all, I think Val's performance was the best evidence we could hope for in support of issuing a permanent Restraining Order.
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Post by Thomas Moore on Nov 9, 2017 19:55:25 GMT -7
To Dorthy Keeler and others: You are the wife of the GLA Director Leo Keeler, so I am shocked by your negative post that clearly was meant to denigrate and tear down the character of Valerie O'Connel. I would like to respond to Dorthy Keeler's post about what Dorthy presents as facts in her post above about Valerie O'Connel's conduct at the hearing.
I have been given a recording of the hearing. After listening to this 2.20 hour hearing, I am convinced that Dorthy Keeler is lying about Valerie O'Connel. What I heard was that Val was very respectful to all present at the hearing. She never yelled, and never sounded "arrogant, overbearing, quarrelsome." I can also say that after listening to the entire recording of the hearing that Valerie never "harassed, badgered, and browbeat" anyone as Dorthy said in her post above. Val never sounded frustrated and was courteous and would often say "yes Sir" and "yes Mam" to witnesses that she cross-examined.
I also heard the judge tell Valerie to "knock it off" but this was after Valerie would not let the witness finish before she would interrupt them. Valerie apologized and I understood the Judge explain the court recorder had a hard time if more than one person speaks at a time. I also understood Val said she was pressed for time and needed to interrupt witnesses from droning on, since the court only gave the O'Connels one hour total to defend themselves.
I mostly heard that the GLA petitioners were repeatedly caught lying in their petition, admitting that Val never threatened anyone and they said she never stalked anyone. Deputy Dyktra? witnessed that he heard the GLA recording from September 11th and told the GLA what Daniel O'Connel said was not a threat of death, but was a "defense statement to protect his wife and property." The deputy also said he knew of three police reports that Valerie O'Connel filed claiming that she had been assaulted at three GLA meetings, one assault was by Dennis Rilie prior to Daniel O'Connel defending his wife. Dennis Rilie said on the stand that he did not feel threatened by Daniel O'Connel's statement. I did hear the GLA lawyer Ms. Griffith say that Dennis Rilie was "angry" on the witness stand. Dan Keyho was the second witness and said Valerie never stalked anyone and that Daniel O'Connel's defense statement felt threatening, even though he admitted Daniel was trying to protect his wife. I also heard Charlette Miizi say that since 2007 while she was on the board, the O'Connels never stalked anyone and never threatened anyone on the Board. I think this last witness shows that others on this website have falsely denigrated the O'Connels (who happen to be church members), due to their own hatred of both O'Connels and other church members. Full disclosure, I am a church member.
My guess is that the GLA petitioners lied on their petition and admitted as much at this hearing.
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Post by Courtroom Observer on Nov 9, 2017 20:40:26 GMT -7
Why is it that Glastonbury seems to have a greater percentage of sociopaths/psychopaths than the norm? Did you catch this Forum post by someone who was looking to purchase property in Glastonbury, but has decided not to? glastonbury.freeforums.net/thread/682/bullies-sociopaths-glastonbury?page=1&scrollTo=1Attend any GLA board meeting, and some committee meetings, to observe sociopathic behavior. Yesterday's Restraining Order Hearing was another example by some participants. Narcissism is but one sociopathic trait. Being the Victim is yet another. If you would like to learn more about sociopathic personalities and traits, what creates them, and how to effectively deal with them, read: Defense Against the Psychopath
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Post by dorothykeeler on Nov 10, 2017 0:29:54 GMT -7
In reply to Thomas Moore above - I do not hate Val or Daniel McConnell. I pity them. As far as other church members - I admire and respect people for their character, not their church affiliation. Martin and Julene Lisota live up the hill from us and are our oldest Glastonbury friends. I don't remember exactly where or how we met, but after hearing we were wildlife photographers, Martin went out of his way to tell us about a nearby badger den on Dry Creek road. We got some terrific photographs of baby badgers as a result and have been friends ever since. Julene was my "Sauna Buddy" for years after my husband, Leo, invited her to come over and use our Far-Infared Sauna in the hope that it would help her medical conditions. We spoke at length about the church during our many hours together in the sauna, and I was impressed by her kind and generous nature, especially her "Meals on Wheels" volunteer activities. Leo and I were invited to and attended their yearly Christmas Lighting display party. I helped a few times by calling out the winners drawn at random for the gifts the Lisotas provided, and Leo helped direct traffic outside. We both enjoyed meeting and visiting with other guests, who we knew were likely church members, and especially enjoyed walking around the path that led through the entire display together. Our Kickstarter Project, Milkweed for Monarchs Butterfly Garden, was launched as a symbol of hope on September 11th, 2012, and Julene was our very first contributor. This was our first step to help restore monarch butterflies across the country. We tried to repay Julene's kindness and support by inviting her to help us release monarchs that she helped to save. Here's a link to a photo of Julene just before she released some of the monarchs in 2016: www.akwildlife.com/Julene.jpgI could go on and on. Instead, I invite the reader to come to their own conclusions.
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Post by angel on Nov 10, 2017 9:17:30 GMT -7
I will have to agree with Dorothy. There are a few "bad eggs" in the Community that enjoy the division between CUT and outsiders. I believe the majority CUT members are kind people without bad intentions. Many of us have been friends for decades. We've all helped each other out over the years.
As an employer, I've had CUT members as employees. Over the years, I've tried to be a good neighbor and helped with housework, errands, appointments, childcare, senior care, yard work, rides to appointments, pet sitting, grocery shopping for the disabled, and many others ways to assist my neighbors that needed a lift. It did not matter if they were CUT or not. If someone needed help, I was there. Those days are over.
Instead of being seen as a good neighbor, I was seen as someone who could be taken advantage of by some of the CUT leaders. I've cut off my service to others, put up No Trespassing signs, and now have to "watch my back". A dozen of my CUT neighbors are asking why I stopped helping out when I've been doing this for so long?
Charlotte Mizzi, the O'Connells, and those who live in a bubble are dividing this community. They are dishonest and will say anything to fit their own selfish agendas, with no considerations to others (outside of that bubble). The CUT (as a whole) should be ASHAMED at them for what they are doing to our community.
One bad apple can spoil the whole basket. Valery and Charlotte are neighbors, CUT members, and work on the CUT community property together. They are working to divide us, not "save the GLA". Most of the people in this community are good people. I still believe that. We all need to help each other out. Until (CUT) Board members treat us all as equals (as we do them), we are just spinning wheels.
Full disclosure: There are several churches in this community. Many of us are members to churches as well. CUT is just one "church" and it is a very small community. Every so often you should step outside that bubble you live in and look around you. Get to know your neighbors. We have more in common than you may think. Find the common ground.
Loyalty is not the same thing as having integrity. Honesty over defensiveness is what will heal our community. Charlotte Mizzi continues to bring up "discrimination to church people". Valery continues to say she is "defending her church". The negative energy they bring to this (lack of) community is obvious. I suggest they take a good long look in the mirror. Do unto others...or the Golden Rule applies to this community...not just one church. There are TENS of THOUSANDS of churches.
Disclaimer: This is my humble opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 9:50:31 GMT -7
Is that you Val writing under the name of Thomas Moore? If not Val it must be someone who’s synapses are not firing on their own. How would you have “heard” a recording since the offical recording wasn’t ready as far a I know? Did Val record the proceeding? If so I’m sure the court would like to know that.
Val for one likes to give the impression that she is a legal eagle. Seeing her in action was just a rewind of her “perception” of events that are displayed at every board meeting she attends. Interrupting continually, even the judge. THAT was the reason the judge told her to “knock it off.” She continually “attempted” to say she was “assaulted” even trying to get her own witness to say he was “afraid” for her which he was not!!! In Val’s mind coming towards her and within 4 feet (she tried to establish at least that close) that in her mind constitutes “assault.” If that is the standard in her mind then she has assaulted me!!!
I was at the court proceeding and no one was caught “lying.” How you came to that conclusion I for the life of me don’t know unless your relying on Val’s word for that and if that is the case you were sorely mislead. Val was what I would call erratic in her presentation and was overruled throughout the hearing, which showed in my estimation, she isn’t this “legal eagle” persona she tries to project to others...and obviously you have bought into her ramblings.
1. She desperately tried to show that it was not her that ever “physically” threatened anyone and that she and Dan are separate, just in case the order goes through her name should not be on it. What she didn’t want to touch is that she harasses, which comes under the heading of stalking and she does that continually to landowners and boardmembers. Throwing Daniel under the bus after he was trying to “protect” her and from what I’d like to know? They are a “team” and act in concert apart from everyone.
2. According to Val if you are asking her to be quiet during a meeting “you are a hater” and I notice that some “church” people use that tactic all the time. It’s called “deflection” so they look like “they are the victims” and I guess it is a rallying cry they use to show “THEY HATE US AND THE CHURCH.” Charlotte Mizzi used that tactic on me even though I never brought up CUT other than pertaining to a contract and her ministry as a conflict of interest. And has since crossed the line and made it personal and had she not stopped with those accusations, according to advice given me to document everything going forward, she woouldn’t have had time to spend on board business.
Since they, Val and Charlotte, are neighbors maybe they should have their well water checked? They both seem to use the same tactic...cry “religious discrimination” “hate church boardmembers” and now it’s “they don’t want churchmembers on the board!” No I want competent, professional, principled, intelligent and experienced people on the board and I don’t care what church they belong to. But I guess since some “church” people use the us vs them mantra this rallies “church” landowners and that makes me sad that some would “believe” that kind of hate speech in the guise of “victim hood.”
I for one like a lot of the CUT board members, do I dislike or disagree with their decisions, you bet I do, but do I hate them? No. Hate is a very strong emotion and that word seems to be thrown around a lot. To “hate” someone you, in my mind, you have to have a personal connection with or have provable personal knowledge of before that emotion would be there. Dislike sure but hate absolutely not. I don’t have a personal and social relationship with Cut boardmembers but I like them for what I do know of them through interaction. As Dorothy said in her post, I don’t hate Val, I don’t know her “personally”, I feel pity for her, Daniel and their children.
So, Thomas Moore, try disseminating fact from fiction and use unemotional rationale when being told what happened. And yes, Val was being polite since the judge had control of her destiny. If Val had shown the same respect and politeness to GLA landowners and board we would never had been in court!!! She respects no one and did so only because she HAD to!
Sally
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Post by angel on Nov 10, 2017 10:32:26 GMT -7
To "Thomas Moore":
YOU were GIVEN a recording? Interesting.
Daniel O'Connell may have been "defending every square inch of his territory" (as he states at the meeting). He was not in attendance at the August meeting when Valery harassed and bullied the other landowners. He is defending his wife (as should be expected) by her "perception" of what happened. She is not objective and neither is he. He claimed that he was RAGING and felt RAGE over what happened...yet it is solely based on "hearsay" of what his wife told him.
Daniel followed that landowner out the door in the dark. What was his intention that night? If other landowners had not stepped in and had (her) back...what would Daniel have done to that person? That is invading personal space, bullying, harassing, and STALKING another person. It's dangerous to admit you are in a RAGE and then follow the person that is being bullied.
Valery was not "assaulted". She felt verbally insulted. Valery is a bully. She interrupts and is not willing to LISTEN to others. It's really hard to listen to what is being said when you clearly don't want to hear their response. When she is talking over everyone, how could she possibly HEAR what is being said, much less anyone else hear the response.
I feel sorry for her children who sat there and watched their mother set this kind of example in the treatment of others. Bullies teach their offspring how to bully others. Valery is passing this trait to her children. It's deplorable, disrespectful, and disturbing at best. It's all about "perspective" and what you WANT to see...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 11:48:35 GMT -7
I suspect “COLLUSION” on the part of Mizzi and the O’Connell’s. Sounded like birds of a feather flock together! What’s that old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Charlotte can not stand Val and uses her when the need arises, and it seems the same goes for Val.
Charlotte’s testimony was disingenuous to say the least, and here she was under oath no less.
Her testimony was - a lot of people interrupt and how they are dealt with is not equal. You see Charlotte is all about fairness and being treated equal. Charlotte, like Val, has PERCEPTION issues. Hence her equating Val’s disruptions and disrespect with others which is a blatant lie in the eyes of most who attend meetings. Charlotte & Val’s distorted perceptions come from their EMOTIONS not reality. Charlotte takes EVERYTHING AS PERSONAL as Sally says above. If you question her decisions or reasoning your questioning “her everything” but mainly because she’s a CUT member. Charlotte thinks she shouldn’t be questioned because she has a inflated opinion of herself and knowledge from her experiences. That fits Val’s profile to a tee.
Val desperately tried to show with Charlotte’s help that “listening” to board meetings was difficult in hearing everything that was said. Although Charlotte quickly interjected that she heard enough to be able to vote on issues to cover her a_ _. Val wanted to make clear that it would be a hardship on them to have to listen to BoD & committee meetings on the phone IF THE ORDER OF PROTECTION WENT THROUGH. Charlotte has long wanted to have phone meetings so landowners questions can be kept out of the equation. Pesky questions like her ignoring our covenants and showing disdain for landowners who know more than she does in most areas!!
I’m not sure if the court knows that her adult daughter is on the title of the property and can therefore represent the O’Connell’s? To use Charlotte’s new “word of the day” they, Val and Daniel, would not be disenfranchised since their daughter would represent them.
So, I want to take this opportunity to congratulate CHARLOTTE on putting herself ahead of GLA. The reasoning Charlotte said she did not sign the order was that SHE was mistreated and nobody came to help her!! Poor Charlotte was mistreated to bad so sad! You see the reason she was “mistreated” (her words not mine) was she continually interrupted (see a parallel with Val) landowners during their 3 minute time allotment. Frustrations naturally evolved, but does Charlotte admit to being the perpetrator of the reactions?? No she does not because she’s above it all. Her authoritarian handling of her presidency treated persons not like landowners who have rights, but more like her subjects. And that rankled a lot of professional educated landowners and caused her the backlash she well deserved.
So, congratulations on supporting the GLA board, you are really a piece of work, and you say your LOYAL?! To whom are you loyal may I ask? After all the lawsuits, the filings and refilings and the litigious litigants order which you supported, and you can’t back up the board over this? You’re as emotionally immature as Val in my opinion.
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Post by Neighbor on Nov 10, 2017 12:15:04 GMT -7
When Charlotte was president of the GLA in 2016, her term has become known around town, as the "Reign of Terror".
Is it any wonder that landowners stood up this unwarranted despotism?
Some view her as the single, most destructive individual that this community has ever had the profound displeasure to experience.
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Post by Worried on Nov 10, 2017 12:37:34 GMT -7
Reading all the above makes me "REALLY WORRIED".
The transcript I was given of Dan talking at the Oct. meeting really scares me. Here it is: Dan - I want to dissuade you President Riley and anyone else here that I am not a pacifist, in fact think of me as an anti-pacifist where I live by a kinda code where I embrace mota that you may have heard of to be courteous, professional but have a plan to kill person you meet. RIGHT (pause) Then talks about Val.
This clearly was telling everyone in the room that he is prepared to kill you at any time. Why else would he say "RIGHT" and pause? Only after the pause and making sure everyone understood he is prepared to kill at any moment did he then talk about defending Val or his property.
What kind of person is prepared to kill instantly and not to even consider other methods of defense?
I also believe Val, Dan, Charlotte and others are trying to eliminate outsider influence on GLA lands. When Val and others talk of "saving our GLA" I hear "SAVE THE CHURCH STYLE MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL".
The way things are headed, I'm worried another Texas Church shooting will occur to "protect GLA".
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Post by angel on Nov 10, 2017 13:02:31 GMT -7
I believe that it is Valery, Daniel, and Charlotte Mizzi that owe the entire Community (as well as their "church") a HUGE apology for wasting our time and money, disrespecting the landowners as well as the Board, and for dragging this division on for years on end.
It's time for the "reign of terror" to end. We want an apology from CHARLOTTE and all of those people who condone this behavior. What an embarrassment to the CUT and the people who respect her. Harassment is not the way you get people to respect or like you. Understanding and empathy is. (Sociopaths and bullies do not possess either, nor do they have a conscience.).
I would encourage anyone with any sense of decency to ask her to step down from the Board so that we can move forward in a more productive and equal way.
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